Romeo Did Not Love Juliet?

mu

I saw this amusing topic in online-literature.com. Anyone interested in this?Let's have a discussion.
And..I suggest that we may widen the limit of this board, proses,novels,and arguments on literature are welcome.

I'm sorry to burst people's bubble, but I don't buy for a second he really loved her. He was obsessed with her. He was obsessed with Rosaline before that, and I imagine with several other girls before that.

People always say how Romeo's love for Juliet was different from that with Rosaline, but I don't see it. Think of it this way, if Rosaline HAD accepted him, would he have married her? If they went through all the problems he and Juliet did, would he had done the same. I think he would.

On the other hand, had Juliet rejected him like Rosaline had, what would have happened. He would become depressed about it like he did Rosaline, until he saw some other girl he liked and gone after her. I don't believe in love at first sight, and these two never really had a single conversation except exchanging some beautiful words to one another. But that isn't love. If either of them had been intelligent enough to realize that they didn't have to kill themselves just because their spouse was dead, they would have ended up together.

This play sends a really bad message to young people.

By Romiet

怀抱花朵的孩子

I don't believe in love at first sight

Then, how will love come about between a man and a woman? To discuss about Literature?

and these two never really had a single conversation except exchanging some beautiful words to one another. But that isn't love

Every line in Shakespear's drama are beautiful words . I don't know what's the matter with it!

mu

He has a very opposite attitude to R&J's love story against the regular readers, he said it was totally an illusion,an impracticable bubble,maybe it's mainly referred to his worries about the young--Romeo's story may lead them to their love tragedies,too.

nightele

If either of them had been intelligent enough to realize that they didn't have to kill themselves just because their spouse was dead, they would have ended up together.

he or she maybe try to express something in our life .
what really impressed me  is they try to kill themselves that needs much.
i think he or she did not put her or him into the Character
did he know what and why  the things happen. i think he didn't really got it
shakespeare try to tell us why they will killthemselves not just because their spouse was dead, they would have ended up together. but their Disposition put them into this situation
that's i often said the Disposition Tragedy

[ 本帖最后由 nightele 于 2006-6-25 02:55 编辑 ]

mu

Disposition Tragedy is a common word in Greek tragedies.

nightele

this......MuMu maybe get a wrony understanding
in Greek tragedies Destiny Tragedy maybe the common word
shakespeare' Tragedy open the door of the Disposition Tragedy
in the Greek  there are  just the Destiny Tragedies

mu

Oh,I've ever read an article on Nietzsche,and it said,

"The Greeks required not only tragedy, Nietzsche tells us, but also art.   This suggests that some form of tragedy is inde­pendent from art; in Richard Wagner in Bayreuth (1876), Nietzsche names this form the tragic disposition [Gesinnung]:

if humanity itself must someday die out -- and who can doubt that! -- it has as its highest task for all coming ages the goal of matur­ing, individually and as a whole, in such a way that it meets its incipient demise [Untergange] with a tragic disposition; within this highest task lies everything ennobling about humanity; from its ultimate rejection [Abweisen] would result the most dismal [trübste] picture any friend of humanity could place before his soul. [...]  There is only one hope and one guarantee for the fu­ture of humanity:  it is that the tragic disposition not die out. (WB:4)"

maybe tele will tell us the difference between tragic disposition and Disposition Tragedy--I think they're almost the same.

nightele

ke  ke.......
let's talk about it
that tragic disposition means the Character has tragic disposition
and the disposition tragedy means the tragedy is a tragedy the Character's disposition caused
maybe they are different that's what i think . is it true i'm not very sure.
it's a professional topic

mu

Never mind! But it's a problem isn't it? We'll have to finish this later.
I just found a better topic,not so professional, which is "whether destiny is always inherent in man or not in Shakespeare's dramas?" Romeo and Juliet were born to be enemies and they can't help falling in this miserable situation as Oedipus did.
I thought it's oftentimes true in Greek tragedies,and Agamemnon was a terrific example.

jakjak

cannot say it is inherited or what
shakespear just understands people.
he built up the setting and the characters move about like automatic balls. he let his characters act as they should as far as his imagination and understanding could comprehen. it is why his drama read rather real and humane. he told us that is what man probably would do under this situation. but he never forwarded an answer or hint to getting out of the trouble. he didnt know it, but again the tone in hamlet or king lear doesnt indicate that he had given up for all human's mistakes, stupidness, ignorance and foolish pride. he probably didnt believe man's tragedy, though true and real, is destined and therefore inevitable. knowing no answer, he showed it to us, the underlying moral guidiance' look here is my warning.'  it is the limits of his as a writer not a philosopher. but to say he inplanted tragedy into his characters, dont think he would agree.